I'm trying not to say "hun" here. I don't want to be a writer, I already am, and have been for quite a while now. So no worries, I am over anything that's going to prevent me from writing. My imagination is fine, by the way, or I wouldn't have churned out an entire series by now.

I just always feel funny reading things into the lives of people I don't know based on their art. I know it's natural and that's just what we do, and I also know that I'm not necessarily correct in my assumptions, but this is a public board and therefore I try not to take my interpretation from their respective personnas. I like to interpret their videos sometimes, but I try to do so from a distance, that's all. I'm not saying anyone else has to.

~~J

Like I said, it's hard to seperate the Jared from the character he plays, which is why I can't really choose one. All three are plausible. I don't want to go much deeper than that because I don't know the guy, and can't go much deeper because there's nothing else to the scene that would lead me to choose one option over the other. There are no hints as to his reasons; all we see is his horrified reaction. I don't want to put my interpretation on it because the video doesn't tell me anything else, so the only thing I could do is assume that Jared meant this or Jared meant the other. I like all ideas but then again, like I said, I could be seeing what I want to see through my feminist goggles.

~~J

One more question. Why is that?

I'm going to turn this into a let's analyze Jules thing...but just for one tiny moment and only because you are very interesting and because I wub you so much.

Do you write fiction? By the statement above, does that mean you would rather your readers take your words as you mean them, instead interpreting it themself....like, let's say they did with the Great Gatsby? I know several writers who feel that way. Does it inhibit you or hold you back from writing anything a little weird or naughty because you are afraid they might think that is what is inside of you? I can imagine it must be very scary to put a piece of work out there, and have the world analyze it, and sit back and let them do it, and let them have their own interpretations. Some READERS prefer to make their own interpretations, while others are obsessed with knowing the author's true meaning. I'm a bit of both.

Because regardless of the fantastical aspect of the rest of the video, he's still playing "Jared." He addresses Matt by his name in the video. They may be playing fantasy versions of themselves, but it's a little coo close to home for me to be comfortable assuming things about The Jared Character, like why he seems to horrified what's happening to the women. I see symbology in there, honestly, and I can imagine how it relates to his public personna. But I could be wrong. Honestly, if it was a movie where he was playing someone other than himself, a character with an entirely different history, I'd go crazy on what I thought his look of OMGWTF meant. ANd I'd go even more crazy on the girl that only he can see, because that really intrigues me.

I wish this new board would let you join up two posts like the old one did... moving on...

Ooh, yay for analyzing me! My favorite subject.

I write really weird fiction, and it does inhibit me to a point. What I really would love is to be totally seperate from the work; for peopel to read it and not think of me at all. Which is extra hard for me because, although I'm a decent writer, I'm also mostly a hack and I find myself sneaking into my own prose. Female characters who are single, who don't rely on men to rescue them, powerful, decidedly not beautiful. I see that happening, but I would not want readers thinking, "Oh, that's based on her, therefore that must be how she would act / react in the same situation.

I write tons of weird stuff but I have a hard time with stuff that is overtly naughty mainly because I know that my friends and family will maybe someday read it. Not that I'd be ashamed of what I wrote, but there would be the creeping feeling that somewhere, someone out there who knew me would be putting me into that role or thinking, "Is this what she thinks about?" Which isn't too much of a problem since I don't write smut. (Well, I did once or twice, but only a few people saw that.)



I'd rather them have their own interpretations and I'd rather not enter the equasion at all. Which I think is what works best for novels that aren't supposed to be autobiographical. The reader should get lost in the fictional world, and if they're going, "I wonder how this pertains to the author," then I feel like I've made a mistake or haven't done my job. There is always the element of the author, though. For instance, look at Stephen King. He's totally brill, but there's not one person out there who hasn't read his stuff and wondered where he gets all that stuff. It must be inside of you before it comes out, right? Mustn't all of that horror be inside of him? I guess it must be, but I try to draw the line before I start wondering what it means to him and how her feels about it.

Interesting question, and not only because you asked it specifically of me.

~~J

I see everything that you are SAYING....now tell me what you MEAN. What issues? What is it about you inside that keeps you so worried that your friends, family or readers will, for the sake of argument, JUDGE you. What is it that you have to come to terms with before you can really share all of yourself without being inhibited? And what is it that is deep down in your soul, that makes you unable to theorize about a work of art that may be a little perverted, or personal...what is REALLY keeping you from sharing that? The facts you have listed don't answer my questions...it has to be answered with feelings...something inside you is going on and you are not saying.



why why why? Why do you feel you have to keep yourself separated from your work? What are you afraid of?

You're absolutely right. So what if all the Stephen King's and Stanley Kubricks of the world felt like this. I'm not judging you, just making some good conversation What wonderful work would we have missed out on? I would love to read some of your work


Here's another question: Is it possible, just possible that this is a HUGE part of the artists experience...making people think and interpret their work, rather than simply enjoying it or displaying it on your wall?

So I'm throwing this out there to you...it's not for debate, or even necessarily for comment...but I belive that COURAGE is the greatest gift an artist or writer can possess. Far greater even than talent or imagination.

Well, that's because this is a public bulletin board with a lot of weird people, you know? I only like a handful of folks here and it's really not the place to be sharing stuff like this. My writing issues? I moderate a nice little LJ comm that deals with all of this kind of stuff, Writer Scrutiny if you are really interested. This just isn't the forum for that kind of thing.

Besides, I don't think that one necessarily has to put one's entire self on the table to make a good piece of work. And that goes especially for writing fiction. If someone wanted to read about my issues they could read my blog. But if someone wants to read a fun time travel story, then they should be reading my manuscript.

Afraid of? It's not so much that--with writing, I mean--but that a novelist is really supposed to keep herself out of her work. Otherwise you start to get into self-insertion, and that's some of the worst shite out there to read. When people read a fiction novel, they don't want the author to intrude. That's just good writing. I suppose it's different with song-writing, although I will say this: part of the reason I prefer the self titled album to ABL is because I find ABL to be too emotionally involved. I prefer ideas to feelings, at least when it comes to music. That's just a personal preference.



Well, lately SK has been putting himself into his novels in the form of either "Hi, it's me, Mr. King making an appearance in my own novel as myself!" (see: Dark Tower) or in the form of Gary Stu ("Hi! It's me making an appearance in my own novel in the form of a really awesome and good-hearted guy who gets hit by a car!") and I find that kind of played out and a little wanky. Which, don't get me wrong, I *heart* Stephen King. But it's author intrusion and it jars me out of the story. When he wrote his semi-autobiography On Writing, I was glad to read about all of his issues, because it was in context. Otherwise, not so much.

Nothing I like to hear more than that. I semi-regularly post my stuff on that community.



Sure, making people think and interpret is fine. But I feel like I'm skirting celebrity gossip with this one and celebrity gossip kind of makes my skin crawl. Jared is weird that way: he guards his privacy like mad, but then he wants people to think about what he's putting forth which seems like awfully personal stuff. So when it comes to dissecting "What might this mean?" I'm okay with that. It might represent the subjugation of women; it might have to do with something personal to Jared. But when it comes to "What does this mean and how does that pertain to his private life?" I just don't like to go there. And the same goes for the ones with Matt and Shannon, too. I can only assume there was a reason why they all saw what they saw in the video--Matt with the self flagellating guy and Shannon with the breast-feeding guy--but how it concerns their personal lives, well, it's not for me to say.



Sure, and it was a courageous move indeed if those really are personal issues that they are projecting in their video. However, I'm also not going to speculate on whether Jared feels that he has (sic) odelisks* is seen by the public as a user of women or if Matt has some guilt issue or they are all gay because they have torn sleeves.**

~~J

*I bring that up because did Jared write it after all, it's sleazy no matter how you interpret it, and he spelled it wrong which is the funniest thing EVAR.

** At least not on the bulletin board. But you can bet I shot an email off to my Mom about that one.

whaaaaaa????? ug ack omfg and huh???? Uh, who said the video represents their personal life...I mean other than YOU? In fact, It was I who had to remind YOU not to think of Jared as himself, but to think of him as a character in a video....then if I remember right, you said you had a hard time separating the two.

You know what is REALLY FUNNY..if you go back and re-read every single post I've made, and you've made, carefully, you will see that NOT ONLY was I talking stricly about my impressions of the metaphores in THE VIDEO...you will see that you are the one who kept trying to relate it to their personal life and your icky feelings about it. THAT is irony.



What in the world made you think that I was talking about anything other than the video? Please tell me that you just read my post really fast and didn't really pay attention to it.



Do you remember when I posed that question.? I was trying to politely remind you and anyone who responded to the question to think of the metaphores as it relates to the video, not him as a person...I was trying to get you back on track and I failed miserably. I did think it was weird that you kept relating your feelings of the metaphores back to them as real people, instead of concentrating on the artistic expressions in the video. But I figured hey, if that's how you want to interpret it, I guess that is your right. It took a long time for me to decide to make that post...I really put myself out there with it too...thanks for misunderstanding it and turning it into something icky.



What????? What do you mean you aren't going to speculate...um...YOU ALREADY DID, several posts back...those were YOUR theories that you posted...not mine. the Matt has guilt, Jared seen a user and they are all gay are YOUR theories...omg, I would rather run into a burning building than to have anyone think those were mine. Now you are getting my posts confused with yours? whaaa????

In fact, the last three posts I made...if you re-read them again...didn't even have anything to do with the video. They had to do with YOU. I was TRYING to draw you into a more philosophical discussion regarding artistic expression as it relates to inhibitions and the courage it must take an artist, ANY artist, writer etc. to put their material out there to be judged and interpreted by others. I didn't pose those questions so that you could refute every single thing I was trying to say.

I think that most people would have gotten that. You didn't, and that makes me sad...in fact, I'm really really sad and upset right now...I don't feel like being philosophical anymore Goodnight and sweet dreams...

Hooooly crap, you are taking this really seriously and are starting to freak out. This was a fun conversation but now I feel like I need to back away slowly. As I've explained before: Yes, it is a daring video. Yes, it puts me in mind of certain subjects. Yes, I can see where they might relate to the guys personally. Now read this part carefully, okeeee: I never said that you said those things. I said it was where I felt like I was going with it and I didn't want to. So I'm reeeeally not seeing the "irony" in that.

And one more time for good luck: I never said those were your interpretations.

Do I need to do the silliest thing ever and copy / paste that a bunch of times for effect? :eyeroll:

Okay, so, it's a rock video. Quit with the ACK UGH UHHH OMFG HUH nonsense and if you still feel like holding a conversation--bearing what I said in mind up there--I'm still willing.

~~J

I don't feel like it anymore...you guys go ahead.

First of all, nice cop out. Way to acknowledge anything I said to you after getting rude and attacking me for no reason. (Also, hurray for you answering all of those previous posts that you pushed me into answering. Nice one there, with the "TEWLL ME WHY WHY WHY MORE MORE MORE!!!!!" and then full on ignoring it.)

And this is funny, because looking back on the thread, you actually did press me towards a personal interpretation. Huh.



In fact, you pressed me a LOT to talk about something about which I said I didn't have anything to say. What the hell did you want from me? The "character" has no backstory at all, no context. I could make up some reason for you but that would have been irrelevant and pointless, so wtf? And after all of these pages of me saying that I have nothing to base any interpretation of "the character's" reaction on--because there is no "character" without a story--all of a sudden you get huffy and personal and outright rude with me? Did you want me to make up some random story to suit "the character?" Well, sorry, I make up stories for myself, not to appease people who want me to interpret something that isn't there for interpretation.

All of a sudden you're all "OMGz I dun wanna talk about this!!!!" but then why did you push me for about a half a page with WHY WHY WHY WHAT DOES IT ALL MEAN?!! I had an interpretation of the women. I noted Jared's horrified look. It only went so far; why did you badger me for so much more? And then when I told you "that's all I got" you get all rude? It's like you were two different people.

Dude, it's a rock video. Was it really worth it to get all sputtery over just because I didn't have a proper interpretation for you?

~~J

First of all, nice cop out. Way to acknowledge anything I said to you after getting rude and attacking me for no reason. (Also, hurray for you answering all of those previous posts that you pushed me into answering. Nice one there, with the "TEWLL ME WHY WHY WHY MORE MORE MORE!!!!!" and then full on ignoring it.)

And this is funny, because looking back on the thread, you actually did press me towards a personal interpretation. Huh.



In fact, you pressed me a LOT to talk about something about which I said I didn't have anything to say. What the hell did you want from me? The "character" has no backstory at all, no context. I could make up some reason for you but that would have been irrelevant and pointless, so wtf? And after all of these pages of me saying that I have nothing to base any interpretation of "the character's" reaction on--because there is no "character" without a story--all of a sudden you get huffy and personal and outright rude with me? Did you want me to make up some random story to suit "the character?" Well, sorry, I make up stories for myself, not to appease people who want me to interpret something that isn't there for interpretation.

All of a sudden you're all "OMGz I dun wanna talk about this!!!!" but then why did you push me for about a half a page with WHY WHY WHY WHAT DOES IT ALL MEAN?!! I had an interpretation of the women. I noted Jared's horrified look. It only went so far; why did you badger me for so much more? And then when I told you "that's all I got" you get all rude? It's like you were two different people.

Dude, it's a rock video. Was it really worth it to get all sputtery over just because I didn't have a proper interpretation for you?

~~J

You took a simple question about an artists/writer's experience and turned it into something icky and compared it to celebrity gossip (amongst other condescending answers in your post)...and you expected me NOT to flip out? Well I flipped baby...and I'm not going to talk about it on the board anymore...I don't want to. It's not a cop out...it's called exasperation. you win

You will note that I said I felt like I was skirting celebrity gossip because the "characters" have no backstory and all I know is stuff I hear about the guys.

And yeah, I do expect people not to flip out... "baby."

And yeah, it is a cop-out, because I was nowhere near condescending to you, I did more than answer the questions that you badgered me to answer after I told you a bunch of times "I got nothin'"--I answered them politely. Way to flip your shit over nothing after pushing every button in the world. Hey, rock video ... internet message board ... any of this ringing a bell? Yeah, and "OMG I could TOTALLY answer your valid points with valid points of my VERY OWN but I'm too exasperated to do so!" FTW.

In other news, OMGz I am a video editing genius! Interpret my vision! What does it all meeeeean??

~~J

Notice the piece of paper to the right...I'm told the writing is archaic Chinese, and that not very many people from China can understsand this language becaue it's like heiroglyphs which were used many years ago. The first 2 Chinese characters tell us these are prisoners and the next two are a girl's name. Prisoner xxx and also a signet from the government. Thanks to gemnil who was able to interpret this language! Thank you!!!!

Great Post, however, can anyone translate what the emperor-boy is saying (his counsel repeats this obviously), im assuming this is Chinese (not sure which dielect)? Anyone fluent in Chinese?

OH

My


god.....

What the hell man?
Good lord.

Edit, just because it aint worth it.


Also, if anyone wants to see the uncut version i have it HERE.

He says something to the effect of he wants to hear the music of tomorrow....I do not speak Chinese but this is what someone told me.

You’re analysis is very interesting, Soupernurse. I just want to add a few remarks.

Jared's moment:

I don’t see a tortured look on their faces, rather they seem to be in a trance.

About the cangue: “As from the nature of the cangue it is impossible for the wearer to reach his mouth with his hands, he is dependent absolutely for food and drink upon the kindness of others. Those with neither relatives or friends are in sore danger of dying through exhaustion or starvation.”
(“A History of Torture” by George Riley Scott)

Quote taken from this website.

People submitted to this kind of corporal punishment were unable to feed themselves. Compare with Shannon’s scene: eunuch breast-feeding on a court lady. This suggests a link between the two scenes?

The cangue for three really existed. You can find a old photograph on this site.

Rothalion told me that that picture somehow reminded her of the third glyph…

http://community.livejournal.com/ghanisquest/86624.html


Tomo’s moment:



Chinese tradition of the black pearl put in the mouth of a dead person in state: believed to protect the corpse against decomposing.

= holding up the appearance that something is still alive while in reality it’s dead?

http://community.livejournal.com/ghanisquest/82903.html

How would you interpret Tomo’s serene look when confronted with this scene, compared to the looks of anxiety, anguish, disgust or whatever from the other band members?




I think there’s more going on with those cut sleeves. Why does Matt have a cut sleeve during the scene when they walk through the white hallway, and only then? Why does Shannon’s sleeve cut appear once they’ve passed through the gate into that other world? As if it was passed on from Matt to Shannon…?

Those two pictures you provide got me thinking, and asking myself if I could link this scene with Jared’s favorite hobby horse: Greek mythology. And I can! ==> Greek Iconography of breast-feeding godessess: Hera and Heracles!

Gods & myths:

Hera: wife and sister of Zeus, goddess of marriage; sacred animal cow and peacock; stepmother and enemy of Heracles.

Heracles: son of Zeus and Alcmene, greatest of the Greek heroes; most popular story: the Twelve Labours. Heracles' Eleventh Labour: fetch the Golden Apples of the Hesperides.

Do I need to explain the link between the Hesperides and the 30STM symbolism? I hope not. Last year, they released a mini-album called ‘Hesperides. Sisters of Heresy’. Use the search button to find out more about it (or call Aitana! ).

Myth of the origin of the Milky Way: Zeus tricked Hera into nursing the infant Heracles: discovering who he was, she pulled him from her breast, and a spurt of her milk formed the smear across the sky that can be seen to this day.


Iconography of the myth:

You can find a representation of the myth on a Greek vase here: infant suckling. However, the Etruscans depicted Heracles in this scene as a full-grown bearded man feeding on Hera's breast! (Etruscan equivalents of Hera and Heracles: Uni and Hercl.)




(Sources: here and here)

The Etruscan rendition of the myth was not found again after its Etruscan incidence. I haven't been able to find out why they changed the myth. There's a hint of an explanation here. Anyway, I swear I heard Jared mention Etruscan art or mythology in a recent TV interview. (I'm still looking for it. Help me out here if you can.) I suspect that scene in 'FY' is his personal version of the myth transposed in a Chinese context.


Interpretation of the myth:

Zeus tricked Hera into breast-feeding Heracles to
- make her symbolically accept this 'illegitimate' son
- (garanty him immortally ??)


I think the interpretation of the myth can help us to understand - at least in part - Shannon's scene.


Sources:

Hera at theoi.com
Hera at 'Greek Mythology Link'
Hera at Wikipedia

Heracles at 'Timeless Myths'
Heracles at 'Greek Mythology Link'
Heracles at Wikipedia

A thesis on the Etruscan iconography of Hercules

Breast-feeding forms in Renaissance art

Hera is an AWESOME tie in...

First let me say that you are so awesome in finding and researching historical facts, while I tend to focus more on the philosophical nature of things...TOGETHER I THINK WE MAKE A GOOD TEAM.

Also, don't you think it is great that 30 has created all this wonderful symbology and has just sat back and let whoever take a whack at it...criticize it...make out of it whatever we want. So let me also say that whatever I post, is just what this stuff means to ME...no one else has to share in it if they don't want to, which is the greatest thing. I like all of your ideas too.

Ok so back to Hera...here's how I tie that in with my original post of the adult nursing relationship and what I think it means.

Hera was many things, you could read hundreds of pages about her...but here is the short version.

1. Hera is the mythological creator of the Milky Way
2. If she was known for anything, it was for her JEALOUSY...in fact, calling someone "Hera" in ancient times meant you were calling them jealous (among other things as well).

So how does it tie in with my first post? I think it may also represent feelings of jealousy towards who everyone thinks is the creator of 30stm. But at the same time, as I said in my first post...the Eunuch represents that this scene is NON-SEXUAL...and is metaphorical for re-birth, among the other things I posted. I believe that despite any jealousy in this scene, it is a metaphor for an EXTREMELY CLOSE NON-SEXUAL BOND BETWEEN TWO PEOPLE...which is what the adult nursing relationship people would say. So make of that what you will.





Tomo does look calm and peaceful, like someone viewing a casket at a funeral, reflecting. The signifigance of the pearl...one never really dies...immortality...people we love live on in our hearts and our heads and in our stories...knowing this about someone you love who has died would give you peace. It also reminds me of a lyric from another band, which goes..."oh how wrong we were to think that immortality meant never dying."

People have asked me what I thought about the ghost-like character that only Jared sees. I think she may represent in some way what Joseph Campbell called the Herald...a dark or terrifying character. I think it may be a metaphor for his conscience, or the duality he is battling in his soul...since this is partly what "calls" them into the adventure.

I'm going to add more about the cangue to my first post.

I'm not looking at this one quite so literally...I know that you and I have discussed what's written on the paper, and have been told different things...but I think that what we were meant to know is that these were prisoners...they were often, as a part of their sentence, paraded in a public square or next to a gait, right? So I still see submissive, dominance, public humiliation by a device closed around the neck.

Also, historically Chinese women back in the day were known as being submissive. Chinese men wanted their women vulnerable, silent and submissive.

During this time...there was a thing called the QING CODE Which was a moral code as well as well as law. Women who were not submissive (amongst other things) could be punished like this. I think it all comes full circle back to this fantasy.

WHY THREE WOMEN? As we all know 30 has embraced the symbology of the TRINITY. I think the three women symbolize the Trinity as well.

The Chinese consider the number 3 to be the perfect number.
The Universe revolves around the number 3:

truth/courage/compassion
body/mind/spirit
past/present/future
3 phases of the moon
3 keys of music

There is much more on the signifigance of the Trinity and the number three here---> CLICK HERE for the signifigance of the number three

This video tells so much...I can't wait until the next one

I posted this in the Argus Apocraphex thread...I don't know if many people really go there to read, anyways I'll post it here in case anyone is interested...

We've found the Argus Apocraphex

I am ALSO one who believes that the Argus Apocraphex is not an object. I know that I have been blinded in thinking that Argus was something that I could see, read about or a place to visit etc...but it's not. People have been theorizing about Argus the mythological character for hundred of years. THE ARGUS LEGEND: THIS ARTICLE I found states that because of how Argus (with the hundred eyes) died (lulled to sleep)...points to the futility of visual perception as knowledge. In other words...THERE IS MORE HERE THAN WHAT MEETS THE EYE. I'm still paraphrasing here....medieval authors have also theorized that Argus symbolizes reason...but figuratively that reason could be blinding if we only see what we can hear, touch feel taste, rather than seeing the hidden meanings or metaphors! If we judge the world only by what we SEE...we will miss so much because we lack INSIGHT. So if apocraphex refers to hidden meanings or writing or author's works...it literally translates into find the hidden metaphors in the author's work.

When Jared said "Find the Argus Apocraphex" a literal translation if you go by the above theory...would simply mean that he wants us to find the hidden meanings in the lyrics, videos, artwork...because there is more there than what meets the eye. Don't be blinded or take the work as fact...see the hidden meanings or messages in them. Have some insight. I completely agree with those of you who thought this.


to read about the Argus metaphor CLICK HERE

So while thinking about the hidden meanings about the artwork, videos and such...something made me think of crop circles. This is what I found.

1. crop circles are a form of art...landscape art
2. they may be a manmade hoax
3. they may have a paranormal explanation
4. there is a definite link between crop circles, mythology and symbology

Paraphrasing from Janet Ossebaard...she says that for many people, crop circles are a portal to the mysterious. Crop circles are a gateway for emotional and spiritual growth: they are a catalyst for awakening. Could this be what Jared means when he says the name of the band is something that gets people thinking and asking questions??????

So I found a few of 30's glyphs in crop circles...


does this look familiar?


note the straight lines in this one.


In the first column...second graphic DOWN...is a picture of one of the glyphs





Notice the E on the end of the crop circle?

1. Make a DOUBLE of this E (theme of duality...The Kill)
2. Turn one E the OPPOSITE direction, like a mirror image..which I think symbolizes the opposite of yourself, something you are hiding (A Beautiful Lie)
3. Put them TOGETHER as one (coming to terms with yourself, the gift of self-enlightenment...From Yesterdayl) slightly off-center
4. and there you have Jared's glyph.
This E has been found on many different crop circles.





READ THE LAST SENTENCE






The following crop circles look very similar to their logo...two to three circles in one with four tiny circles around the perimeter









But what do they all MEAN...I have no idea, yet...I'm still thinking about that.

OK I've thought about it. HAVE YOU EVER NOTICED THE SQUARE on the homepage in the LOGO? There are three little bright lights circling around...two are circling in a circle...the other is moving around a SQUARE.

THIS IS A MANDALA....or a CRYPTOGRAM

here is an example of one...notice the square and the circle?





OK...so Carl Jung (who is tied to Joseph Campbell, where the premise of the video From Yesterday came from), believed these mandalaS represent the unconscious self.

He also believed they were personal cryptograms that represent the state of self of the person who created them.

Jung talks of "squaring the circle" or "circling the square" which represents an uncertainty built into the JOURNEY.

He also talks about how important it is to "revolve" around the center or to rotate around the center (as the little bright lights are doing), and hopefully move towards the self, which is supposed to be in the center of the circle.

He says that one must create their own mandalas and go where they lead us...ie: DIVE FORTH INTO THE DEEP

SO THE LOGO IS A CRYPTOGRAM!

READ ALL ABOUT JUNG'S THEORY OF SQUARING THE CIRCLE HERE LINK

Regardless...isn't it nice to know, for those of you sporting glyph tattoos on your body for the rest of your life, that they don't secretly mean "I like to suck donkey balls."

SouperNurse!!

I am officially in love with you...you save me time and energy by looking up things!! Haha...I do research, but not as in depth as you and I don't post it...Thank you sooo much for your thoughts...I love the crop circle thing. Everything makes sense!

About the whole "finding the argus apocraphex means looking deeper into it" or w/e, I love that! I thought of something similar to that...that the argus apocraphex is really just the center of the mind or the center meaning behind something because I found this picture of the brain and it said some scientists believe that the argus apocraphex is here (and there was an arrow pointing to the center of the brain) I should find where I found that....

Thanks again!



P.S. I skimmed your post...so I didn't read to much into it, but it was awesome anyways!

yes yes, thank you very much for all these theories and well documented work and i'd thank you even more if you told me when you got the pic for you avatar, i can't find it anywhere *_* !

[i'm usually deeper than this but i'm sleeeeeeeeepy now]
*_* !

i love this video!
<3

omg it just came to me...that little trickster... The Argus Apocraphex is in the video...I saw it...

CLICK HERE

Maybe this has alraedy been posted (tried searching for it), but when the Jared bends down to pick up the map from the broken frame, there is a book underneath which is a link between the director Cubbins and Dr. Seuss's "The 500 Hats" which stars Bartholomew Cubbins (just a coincidence though, no link obviously)....

http://www.amazon.com/Hats-Bartholomew-Cub...s/dp/039484484X

no...that's not it...it's on this website, and in the video...FIND IT

OK so I was close, Jared Leto = B Cubbins, but the Dr Seuss book has the character B. Cubbins in it....whic is the same book in the video...

In the same shot as the book there's a random saanskrit or aribic symbol... It might be the Ohm symbol.

This is called a boredom upload:

From Yesterday

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0958013/business

$35,000 budget for FY video

OMG
great analysis of the videos. Really. Thanx.

but i have much easier question. Maybe it was already asked, but still. )
Does anybody know where in China FY was made? In what town or place?
Thanx.))

Beijing. Chinese people call it "Gugong" (Forbidden City)

I'd say Hengdian World Studios... http://www.hengdianworld.com/english/film_...s/c-bases.shtml

Yep. I found some information here in Echelon thread and then in Google. And the place has very much similarity with that in the vid.


Are you sure? Well, I try to find something about this as well. And then say to you. ))

They mentioned Hengdian in the Making Of and the film studios build a model of the Forbidden City there.

Ellen, it's definately not the Forbidden City in Beijing. I've been there. The mountains in the clip give it away, no mountains that close to the actual Forbidden City.

Amazing.
It just makes me wanna cry, cause I think it is so beautifully done.
The acting is beautiful as well.
Just the whole video is just a big "wow."
I'm still awe struck at how great it's done.
And the fireworks were incredible!
They shot it at a beautiful place too.

The fuck is this being bumped? Come on, people.

Alright, thought they were the first band to shoot a video there. But I guess I'm wrong. My friend showed me some pics of the Forbidden City about two weeks ago (she lived in Bejing for half a year), but never paid attention to any mountains. Sorry.

i just love the video but i cant figure out how to load it onto my myspace! can anyone help me?

the acting was brilliant i was gobsmacked all the way through it! i had to watch it at least 4 times just to get used to the idea that they had done the video! wow just wow!

Watch a movie called "Izo". From yesterday he's/its coming.....

What she said^^^ Please people, give this a rest already.
Move forward and stop going back into the past.