Jared, you're a BUDDHIST? Options

[Jill]

I think you both are not so very different in your thoughts as you seem to be in this conversation. And I salute you for trying to find some common ground and understanding each other. As I read between the lines(if not don't bite my head of (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) )

Eventually the same should be happening for all our different religions and non-beliefs, finding the common ground, look for the similar and try to build from there.

If you look hard enough, you will find and see it all came from the same source ones anyway (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

i dont really think me and chuuchuu are all that similar actually, but thats neither here not there... like i said before, im all for discussions and learning and stuff, but yea... thats not what i feel is going on. not yet anyway.

Jill, I heart you. Wait. I <3 you. there we go (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Religion is a strange thing. My question to the zelouts is always the same... Why do you think you are right and everyone else is wrong? The answer is always "Because God said so" and to that I say, well yes, but that's what all the other religions say as well. Why would God trick everyone like that? It's just rude.

I don't cater to organized religion. When it comes to spirituality I am a mutt. Christianity, Wiccan, a smattering of Buddhisim. For me, God can be and is many things with many names and many faces. Call Him Bob I don't care. Embrace the randomness. He/She does. That's why I live.

And I breath... every day, that's about all I can say.

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and your second paragraph, OMG! that makes me sooooooo crazy!!!

yes i would have been kind to her and even to you because if I'd known she were a christian I'd understand that this contradictions about jared being christian wouldnt be so bad and i would feel less discriminated therefore i would took some post other with shouting to hell that jared is not christian while not telling or maybe not knowing he's true religion either.

im still not getting your rationalizations. so its ok for christians to make mistakes and you can be understanding with that, but not for nonchristians? and well how would you feel less discriminated against JUST BECAUSE she is also christian? can people not discriminate against their 'own kind'? because believe me, i've seen that all too much (not just religion, sex, race, sexuality, etc) from what i am reading, i still feel this is hypocritical. than again, maybe its pointless cause there are plenty of hypocrites out there anyway... :sigh:

lol so i guess i also have over-reacted in some ways with our religion and maybe my post had a different impact to each, but i'd never wanna demean other religion because i believe that fighting is not the answer for everything, although sometimes anger takes me away, and i treat every religion special even satanism(like the opposite of our religion) even though everything seems so different if u study they're beliefs you would see that there are some similarities even though its few, and that few can have a huge change. ^^

whether or not you over-reacted is your call. in my opinion i would say yes, but you are the only one who truly knows, depending on how you feel/felt. but i feel like we are going in circles, yet again. above, you said (again) you would not have felt so offended had you known alexandros was christian, which implies you would have remained as offended is she wasnt. but NOW you say you dont want to demean other religions and they are similar, etc etc. im sorry, but you have me so fucking confused i dont even know what to say anymore! so basically i have a few questions to see if maybe this can clear the air (of course, you dont have to answer, you are not on trial, but since we have been discussing this, maybe it will answer some questions)

1. are you truly deeply and strictly religious? and is that why you got offended in the first place?
2. if you answered yes, how can you be so truly deeply and strictly religious to the point of being offended if you yourself admitted your spiritual beliefs are open to the point where they flow from christianity to paganism? (most people i know who's beliefs are like such are so open they dont offend easily, and especially wouldnt from what was said in this thread)
3. (to try to solve my first paragraph) why is it you can not be offended by a fellow christian but remain offended by a non christian or someone whose religion is not disclosed?

and im glad that you're trying ur best for not giving up on fixing up our misunderstandings i am now understanding our similarities and differences now and i like it! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

yea its my second language, hahaha lol. my major languag is tagalog and some japanese

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ok. like i said, i enjoy disussing things like this (most of the time, depending on who it's with) and i too appreciate that you are now more openly discussing this. however, and maybe its me, but i still dont see very many similarities between us.

you were quick to pull the 'i feel discriminated against' card when helios posted and im the type of person where, firstly, it takes alot for me to feel personally attacked, and even if/when that happens, i will not pull the that card. i simply do one of two things. 1- reply right back and state my case and even be a bitch if im that pissed and it carries on (hey, at least im honest, i know i can be a bitch sometimes) or 2- leave the thread and end it there.

and im not trying to really 'fix' anything, as i dont see anything 'broken'. this is a discussion. im just trying to understand YOU and your thoughts and how you get them. and like i said, you can end this discussion at anytime should you feel it. and who knows too, maybe things just got lost in translation, thats always possible but since the same "ideals' are being repeated, im thinking maybe thats not the case. and since english is your second language, i will tell you right now, if theres anything i ask or say that you dont feel you understand it 100%, feel free to ask me to clarify, because by me wanting to understand you and how you think like you do, you of course should be able to understand me as well.

bear in mind, i still have not disclosed my personal beliefs, due to the point im trying to get across in my first paragraph to you. for all you know i could sacrifice innocent infants and animals in the name of the azazel.

also, to the entirety of this thread: i still believe if any of the band members beliefs were not announced by them themselves, it's nobodies business whatsoever. a simple innocent question, of course, if fine whatever, but basically demanding answers and questioning them and stating they will be 'prayed for' i feel it insanely demeaning and disrespectful. especially since its NOT common knowledge, and for all they (the person flipping out) the band could believe in the same damn thing just not make it public and like to keep their music separate from their religious beliefs.

[felix]

I did not mean that you were similar as a person, I do not know either of you well enough off course to make such a assumption. I just got the feeling both your hearts were in the "right place" so the speak. But hey if I'm wrong, I'm wrong.
Nothing wrong about that (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
And I am also for discussions, learning etc...that's probably why I reacted in the first place. And I do feel that's what going on still.

But maybe I should butt out and leave it up to you two

good luck with the matter....

[CandyO]

"Eternal Salvation or TRIPLE Your Money Back!"

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) hullo Bob

yea its my second language, hahaha lol. my major languag is tagalog and some japanese

I figured as much. No shame in explaining exactly that when/if your words are not coming out right. I mean my goodness... I only speak English so you are so far beyond me because you are able to converse in THREE languages, even if in a halting manner. *curtsies*

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and your second paragraph, OMG! that makes me sooooooo crazy!!!

inorite?

MY RELIGION IS THE ONLY RIGHT ONE BECAUSE IT IS THE WORD OF GOD

Yeah yeah well that's what all the other religions say too. Either everyone is wrong or everyone is right or God is playing games. Lots of people just don't look that far into it. Tis a pity.

I did not mean that you were similar as a person, I do not know either of you well enough off course to make such a assumption. I just got the feeling both your hearts were in the "right place" so the speak. But hey if I'm wrong, I'm wrong.
Nothing wrong about that (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
And I am also for discussions, learning etc...that's probably why I reacted in the first place. And I do feel that's what going on still.

But maybe I should butt out and leave it up to you two

good luck with the matter....

I think you're okay felix. It's a pretty tame conversation now and chuuchuu and Jill are being polite while discussing. Level headed discussions are good. But I'm kinda feeling like a third wheel too. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

The fundamental cause of trouble in the world today is that the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt. ~ Bertrand Russell

[chuuchuu]

1. are you truly deeply and strictly religious? and is that why you got offended in the first place?
2. if you answered yes, how can you be so truly deeply and strictly religious to the point of being offended if you yourself admitted your spiritual beliefs are open to the point where they flow from christianity to paganism? (most people i know who's beliefs are like such are so open they dont offend easily, and especially wouldnt from what was said in this thread)
3. (to try to solve my first paragraph) why is it you can not be offended by a fellow christian but remain offended by a non christian or someone whose religion is not disclosed?

1. I think I am 80% religious, and yes.

2. Its been for like 3 years ived been researching about the cultures of different religions, because I just thought why should I hate other religion while still not knowing whats they're beliefs is, and as I go through my research there really are similarities and that is how I opened myself to other religion, but I'll still be loyal to my religion because this is where I grew and used to be it is now part of my conscience.
additional information on what i learned in world history, values, philosophy etc.

3. (to try to solve my first paragraph) why is it you can not be offended by a fellow christian but remain offended by a non christian or someone whose religion is not disclosed?

if I'd known the she were a christian too then I wouldnt be offended not only to her posts but to everyone's posts, its a chain reaction, because she a christian and she understands others posts that where like have a different impact unto me.
and by that I would understand that its ok to me if its ok to her.

[ferro_man]

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) hullo Bob

eternal salvation for $30 makes the church of the SubGenius the cheapest religion out there

[Capricorn1015]

I don't cater to organized religion. When it comes to spirituality I am a mutt. Christianity, Wiccan, a smattering of Buddhisim. For me, God can be and is many things with many names and many faces. Call Him Bob I don't care. Embrace the randomness. He/She does. That's why I live.

Amen, sister. Er . . . I mean . . . I totally agree with you there. I am the same way.

I don't go to church. I don't feel that I should have to go to a building full of a bunch of "other" people who may (or may not) judge me to "prove" that I "believe" in something. I was brought up being taught that what I believe is up to me and no one else to tell me what I should and should not believe in.

I believe in many things, many "higher powers".

And I call my God, at the moment, Buddy Christ. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

(IMG:http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/93/Buddy_christ.jpg/300px-Buddy_christ.jpg)

[felix]

I think you're okay felix. It's a pretty tame conversation now and chuuchuu and Jill are being polite while discussing. Level headed discussions are good. But I'm kinda feeling like a third wheel too. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

Right on the dot (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

[chuuchuu]

Amen, sister. Er . . . I mean . . . I totally agree with you there. I am the same way.

I don't go to church. I don't feel that I should have to go to a building full of a bunch of "other" people who may (or may not) judge me to "prove" that I "believe" in something. I was brought up being taught that what I believe is up to me and no one else to tell me what I should and should not believe in.

I believe in many things, many "higher powers".

And I call my God, at the moment, Buddy Christ. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

(IMG:http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/93/Buddy_christ.jpg/300px-Buddy_christ.jpg)

thats kinda cute (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wub.gif) very cartoony

[30stmchic]

I did not mean that you were similar as a person, I do not know either of you well enough off course to make such a assumption. I just got the feeling both your hearts were in the "right place" so the speak. But hey if I'm wrong, I'm wrong.
Nothing wrong about that (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
And I am also for discussions, learning etc...that's probably why I reacted in the first place. And I do feel that's what going on still.

But maybe I should butt out and leave it up to you two

good luck with the matter....

no please do NOT butt out, this is a public forum and everyone is ENCOURAGED to join in discussion! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) (however if you start with "you are burning in hell, i will pray for your soul, my religion is right and you are damned because you believe otherwise", well then i may have a change of heart lol)

and thank you for think my heart is in the right place, i truly dont care who believes what, so long as they are not blowing people up in the name of their 'god', i personally think im pretty open and whatever makes other people happy (again, as long as it doesnt include suicide bombings or the like) and its really none of my business unless they dont mind discussing it with me. anyway...

inorite?

MY RELIGION IS THE ONLY RIGHT ONE BECAUSE IT IS THE WORD OF GOD

Yeah yeah well that's what all the other religions say too. Either everyone is wrong or everyone is right or God is playing games. Lots of people just don't look that far into it. Tis a pity.

I think you're okay felix. It's a pretty tame conversation now and chuuchuu and Jill are being polite while discussing. Level headed discussions are good. But I'm kinda feeling like a third wheel too. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

The fundamental cause of trouble in the world today is that the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt. ~ Bertrand Russell

yes i hate those people (see my statement above) and also, noooooo dont feel like the third wheel. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) get on it ! you know i (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wub.gif) you!

1. I think I am 80% religious, and yes.

2. Its been for like 3 years ived been researching about the cultures of different religions, because I just thought why should I hate other religion while still not knowing whats they're beliefs is, and as I go through my research there really are similarities and that is how I opened myself to other religion, but I'll still be loyal to my religion because this is where I grew and used to be it is now part of my conscience.
additional information on what i learned in world history, values, philosophy etc.

3. (to try to solve my first paragraph) why is it you can not be offended by a fellow christian but remain offended by a non christian or someone whose religion is not disclosed?

if I'd known the she were a christian too then I wouldnt be offended not only to her posts but to everyone's posts, its a chain reaction, because she a christian and she understands others posts that where like have a different impact unto me.
and by that I would understand that its ok to me if its ok to her.

firstly, i'd like to thank you for continuing this discussion. its quite. interesting.
1. 80% well thats good.
2. im sure i said this before, but i too enjoy learning on others, even if i dont feel they pertain to me, or if i'd feel they fit me, its still interesting to learn what others think and how they work.
3. this is the one part i am still not fully grasping. you said "because she a christian and she understands others posts that where like have a different impact unto me." does that mean non christians (or someone who did not state what they believed in) would not understand? so its ok for a chirstian to say certain things to you but not ok for non christians (or someone who did not state what they believed in) to say the same thing? so basically you cant have a conversation with non christians (or someone who did not state what they believed in) like the one that took place between you and alexandros without you being offended? but if that same conversation took place between you and a christian, you would not be offended? do you think non christians (or someone who did not state what they believed in) would not understand you simply because they are not christian? but what if said non christian ALSO like reading up & may be knowledgeable on christian beliefs? or what if they told you they were jewish/pagan/muslin/etc but, do NOT tell you they grew up christian and converted (for whatever reason, family, whatever) but you are unaware of this, do you still think they could not understand? and therefore continue to offend you?

please dont think i am patronizing you, because i certainly am not (however i am aware my questions may seem that way, i simply can not find another way to word them) like i've said, i am just truly trying to understand this whole situation.

[chuuchuu]

3. this is the one part i am still not fully grasping. you said "because she a christian and she understands others posts that where like have a different impact unto me." does that mean non christians (or someone who did not state what they believed in) would not understand? so its ok for a chirstian to say certain things to you but not ok for non christians (or someone who did not state what they believed in) to say the same thing? so basically you cant have a conversation with non christians (or someone who did not state what they believed in) like the one that took place between you and alexandros without you being offended? but if that same conversation took place between you and a christian, you would not be offended? do you think non christians (or someone who did not state what they believed in) would not understand you simply because they are not christian? but what if said non christian ALSO like reading up & may be knowledgeable on christian beliefs? or what if they told you they were jewish/pagan/muslin/etc but, do NOT tell you they grew up christian and converted (for whatever reason, family, whatever) but you are unaware of this, do you still think they could not understand? and therefore continue to offend you?

please dont think i am patronizing you, because i certainly am not (however i am aware my questions may seem that way, i simply can not find another way to word them) like i've said, i am just truly trying to understand this whole situation.

uhh.... i dont know... i guess it depends, but im not that pretty offended now, i think not.

but of course it would offend me, because first i didnt know they're beliefs so i would be offended thinking they did not have that much care about it or what I would feel because were talking about religion here one wrong word and it could easily offend someone.

But that could change if that person who offended me would try to understand why i was offended.

you said "because she a christian and she understands others posts that where like have a different impact unto me." does that mean non christians (or someone who did not state what they believed in) would not understand?

no i was referring alexandros understanding other's post(nonchristians or not) so if she understand i would understand also, so I was the one who did not understand other post not others into me.

so its ok for a chirstian to say certain things to you but not ok for non christians (or someone who did not state what they believed in) to say the same thing?so basically you cant have a conversation with non christians (or someone who did not state what they believed in) like the one that took place between you and alexandros without you being offended? but if that same conversation took place between you and a christian, you would not be offended? do you think non christians (or someone who did not state what they believed in) would not understand you simply because they are not christian? but what if said non christian ALSO like reading up & may be knowledgeable on christian beliefs? or what if they told you they were jewish/pagan/muslin/etc but, do NOT tell you they grew up christian and converted (for whatever reason, family, whatever) but you are unaware of this, do you still think they could not understand? and therefore continue to offend you?


it still depends on the topic and it doesn't matter what they say to me, what matters is how will they say it to me. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

[Leavchip]

I am going to start this with I have not read in detail all the post over the past 4 pages... I have scanned and have gotten the general idea of what its all about...

I do not feel in anyway that Jared, Shannon or Tomo need to explain to me where they stand in the religious,faith, belief areas of their lives in order for me to appreciate and enjoy their music.

If anyone feels lead to pray for anyone else here or away from here - go for it, but you do not need to announce the fact that you are praying for someone... it is never received fully the way you had hoped it would be either a postive way or a negative way. There is a song out there given the name by the fanbase called Silent Prayer.... look on youtube for it, the effectiveness of prayer is between you and your God...

The songs of 30 Seconds to Mars has always had metaphors in them... part of the beauty of these songs is listening to them and letting the words take you through your journey during the song.. and for some beyond the song.

Music is a metaphor that touches the soul in the areas of your life where you need to be touched. It depends on where your walk is, where your life is at the time you hear the song. It will be different for each person... enjoy the music for what it is...

If the guys ever decided to share where they are with their personal walks in life, with their spirituality it will be on their terms, in their time and decision.... until that point just accept the music....

[felix]

If anyone feels lead to pray for anyone else here or away from here - go for it, but you do not need to announce the fact that you are praying for someone... it is never received fully the way you had hoped it would be either a postive way or a negative way. There is a song out there given the name by the fanbase called Silent Prayer.... look on youtube for it, the effectiveness of prayer is between you and your God...

The songs of 30 Seconds to Mars has always had metaphors in them... part of the beauty of these songs is listening to them and letting the words take you through your journey during the song.. and for some beyond the song.

Music is a metaphor that touches the soul in the areas of your life where you need to be touched. It depends on where your walk is, where your life is at the time you hear the song. It will be different for each person... enjoy the music for what it is...

I think you are right, thank you for sharing your thoughts and the way you have expressed them. And I like to add; I think believe is something that you do, not what you are. It's not something that defines you, so you should not let it define others. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

[Shalia]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adN7GW8Aids

(its around the end after the jennifer aniston thing)

are you buddhist? if not, what religion do you believe in, or are you atheist?

thanks for sharing!

[chuuchuu]

thanks for sharing!

Jared LEETOW! hihihi

[hannah-rose]

Is it just me or has the person who originaly posted this topic miss understood what was said in the interview?
That when asked "Christianity or Scientology?" (forgive any spelling errors) and he replied "Buddhism" because if he had to choose a religion that's what he may go for? There for he hasn't actualy hinted at any religious beliefs.
That's how I heard it anyway.
(if this brings any hackles up I appologise in advance)

[chuuchuu]

Is it just me or has the person who originaly posted this topic miss understood what was said in the interview?
That when asked "Christianity or Scientology?" (forgive any spelling errors) and he replied "Buddhism" because if he had to choose a religion that's what he may go for? There for he hasn't actualy hinted at any religious beliefs.
That's how I heard it anyway.
(if this brings any hackles up I appologise in advance)

so statistically, his not a buddhist..? right? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

[felix]

so statistically, his not a buddhist..? right? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

He does not say it like that on this interview, no.

And he was asked this question on other interviews also in a different contexts t, if I remember well (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) , and keeps it somewhere in the middle there as well. Some what like he's leaning towards or would be most interested in.

But why is this so important to you? Would you think of him differently, Would you like him any better or less. Does it change the music in any way, or the way you listen to it?

Or is it just your relentless curiosity that needs to be satisfied? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

Maybe you get the chance someday to ask him in person, I hope you do

But I will tell you now, when you ever get there it probably isn't important enough any more (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

[GiaMarie]

I just read this entire thread. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) Why did I do that? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) I want to gouge my eyes out now.