[Soaring above...]

Original opening post by Leavchip:

Do you think all the Echelon traditions regarding the tours such as code colors and home made 30 STM gear are still cool, or do you think it is time for a change?

Important question. It is time for a change. We must continue to move forward and evolve in all respects. Presentation and identity included. The color RED is important for many reasons and will remain so. It is the color of passion, the color of blood, the color of MARS. It should be left on the MARS flag, TRINITY seal, MITHRA seal and TYRE - (the arrow) ONLY from here on out. For this next phase BLACK attire will be the foundation and the canvas to build upon. This is war. White dress is for special occasions and should be ALL WHITE NO RED on any clothing at all. It should be kept special and limited to the previously mentioned symbols and icons. Please encourage everyone to join in this experiment. It will be a sight to see. -CRASH MINISTER OF PROPAGANDA [echelon]

From Twitter: @30SECONDSTOMARS did everyone get the new dresscode? spread the word (July 3, 2009)

From kyte on July3, 2009:
* black is a very "religious" choice, white will still have its place but NO RED except on flags or symbols

* with black cloth masks tied around, anonymity, ready for war

* and black is not a color it is the absence of color


Let's discuss the new dresscode here -

Y'all are going to look like a bunch of Zorro's

[Becca0833]

30SECONDSTOMARS @Becca0833 thanks becca
about 14 hours ago from web in reply to Becca0833

hehehe sorry lol.... Btw the new dress code is all black no white or red except on flags and symbols. Cloth masks tied around face are optional I believe. I think someone on Twitter is creating a prototype.

[VanillaMintFusion]

I am wondering if the band even realizes how much time, effort and money people have spent on customizing some of their outfits - which according to them now shouldn't be used anymore. Do they really expect that we stop wearing that stuff? Occasional color nights, fine. But for the rest I wear what I feel like it. And if it happens to be a red shirt, so be it. Though I can gladly pass on the white pants.

[Jenni6277]

I am wondering if the band even realizes how much time, effort and money people have spent on customizing some of their outfits - which according to them now shouldn't be used anymore. Do they really expect that we stop wearing that stuff? Occasional color nights, fine. But for the rest I wear what I feel like it. And if it happens to be a red shirt, so be it. Though I can gladly pass on the white pants.

Exactly!

I have white pants but I've been thinking that I dye them red. I'm too messy for white. And like I said in twitter, I'll pass the black pants. Black skirt tho would be nice.

[Jezzabel]

I thought the whole emo craze was dead, maybe that was just wishful thinking. They don't seriously expect us all to just jump and start wearing all black all of the time like a bunch of beatniks do they? What ever happened to creativity, originality and art? I love making shirts up for concerts, it's part of the fun of getting ready and excited for them. Now they want me to become some drone and dress how they want while eliminating my creativity? For a band that's about the visual aspect almost, or as much, as the music they really don't seem to want us to project any of that. Here's my theory: I'll wear what ever the hell it is that I want to wear, listen to their music if I like it, go to shows still if I like them and that's that. No frontman or no band is going to dictate what I wear.

I really hope he was atleast half-joking when he thought this up because I think it's ridiculous. I'm all for unity but not at the cost of my individuality.

*So in case you can't tell I'm in a bad mood. Hope I didn't offend anyone but I had something to say and I'm done staying quiet. Think of me what you will, I don't care any more.

[Jenni6277]

I'm all for unity but not at the cost of my individuality.

Can I sig this part?

[Lily_17]

At first look, I'm not a big fan of it either. But as I said before, I'll wait and see what their overall plan is. Who knows, it might be really cool. The part about anonymity made it at least a bit more interesting. Let's not forget, that our 'individuality' at shows (in terms of colours) is already limited to...three. And with white nights and black nights and colour nights, they've already limited us even more, if we so choose to follow.

Whether you do or not is up to you, as it has been in the past, and always will be.

I think it's a bit weird that they're outwardly being so strict about it, and I still don't like the elimination of red, but I'm not certain that getting so up in arms about it is worth it. If I don't want to follow, I just...won't. Which is pretty much what I said in chat when he mentioned it. Haha.

[silvita]

yes Mars is better but if I search for it I found the world, 30stm is original

Yes, MARS looks and sounds better imo. but when you google, you find sites of the planet. So, maybe 30STM would be more practical.

Oh this is true!!...
It's better... I think...

[Elvira]

Part of getting ready was deciding what to wear. Oh the fights about a possible colournight I didn't really participated on colournights, but that's because most of them were 'red night'. Not really my kind of color But still, I thought it was pretty cool to see what everyone else made. That was kind of what this fanbase was famous for: selfmade merch!

The dresscode now seems indeed a bit strict. I realize they want to make a big art-project out of it, but I don't think it will work... I mean... wasn't it about the music? Sure, the extra stuff surrounding it is cool too, but when you create a policy of what we should wear- that's crossing the line a bit

I feel like 'this is a cult' and 'start my own religion' are being taken a bit seriously. And I worry about the fans that are blindly following the band. This can go wrong.

Maybe I am reading too much into it, but I really don't like the way it was said. Kind of like why the French didn't like The Hive _{(I don't have any problems with the Hive at this point, it's still too vague to me..)}.



Maybe I will wear black during concerts. But I also have the right to wear whatever I want. And that could be purple leggings and a pink shirt with a sparkly unicorn on it.

[silvita]

I believe that I have no problem with the dress.
I always need to have those colors. It's like a trademark.

But everyone has a right to wear what you want. Not bad.

I don´t think that goes wrong.
So, everyone has the option to dress as one wants.

[Nabucodonosor]

Y'all are going to look like a bunch of Zorro's

[Elvira]

I like ninja's, but this is getting ridiculous

[Ananita]

I like ninja's, but this is getting ridiculous

but we have our own emoticon here!!!

[CandyO]

My GOODNESS things were active after I left last night! I have to say the tweets with let's try this all guys say 'YO and then right after No no just the guys! cracked me the fuck up

Since we are discussing the color thing cause they have tweeted about it [making it fair game] I'll say something I was going to post in purgatory as a followup to my earlier comments

"It is time for a change. We must continue to move forward and evolve in all respects. Presentation and identity included. The color RED is important for many reasons and will remain so. It is the color of passion, the color of blood, the color of MARS. It should be left on the MARS flag, TRINITY seal, MITHRA seal and TYRE - (the arrow) ONLY from here on out. For this next phase BLACK attire will be the foundation and the canvas to build upon. This is war. White dress is for special occasions and should be ALL WHITE NO RED on any clothing at all. It should be kept special and limited to the previously mentioned symbols and icons. Please encourage everyone to join in this experiment. It will be a sight to see. -CRASH MINISTER OF PROPAGANDA [echelon]"

WHITE - is now to be reserved for special occasions only and there should not be ANY red on the white clothing. Except the statement goes on to say "It should be kept special and limited to the previously mentioned symbols and icons" so... white should either be a plain shirt/pants FOR SPECIAL OCCASIONS and/or white can be used to create the previously mentioned symbols and icons i.e. the MARS flag, TRINITY seal, MITHRA seal and TYRE - (the arrow). I think...

BLACK - is the foundation and canvas to be built on. So we SHOULD wear black and if we wish to adorn/paint/embroider/pin things on said black clothing, if we wish to use white OR red then we should reserve those colors for the MARS flag, TRINITY seal, MITHRA seal and TYRE - (the arrow) ONLY.

RED - should be left on the MARS flag, TRINITY seal, MITHRA seal and TYRE - (the arrow) ONLY from here on out. *** please note that the glyphics, either set, were not mentioned in this here red/white thing. This is important! ;>

So... I am feeling like a lot of other people are. Not liking being roped in. This fanbase IS sorta famous for home made gear. It's definately one of the things that helped draw me into Mars World in the first place! I LUV my little white hoodie with my little home made patches. I only wore it to two shows, it has more life to it yet. And I am most probibly going to keep wearing it if there is a chill in the air. They will have to yell at me for not following directions, sorry. :/

Now, onto the humor value... and do remember which very important MARS symbol was left out of the list... I was in the local discount store last week and saw an inexpensive little slinky black top, with lace around the bottom and little spaggetti straps, which so does not say THIS IS WAR at all no but for $7 I got a brilliant idea... and promptly bought it. You want me to wear black? Okay fine, I'll make a new black shirt, oh yes I will. And I shall paint the GLYPHICS on the front of this girly shirt, but not in red or white cause glyphs were not listed in that decree... so, I shall paint the glyphs in... purple.

Bow down before me - cause I am silly and I do adore a challenge.

use your imagination not to scare yourself to death but to inspire you to live
about 1 hour ago from txt

he's a wise man...

[Jenni6277]

I'll make a new black shirt, oh yes I will. And I shall paint the GLYPHICS on the front of this girly shirt, but not in red or white cause glyphs were not listed in that decree... so, I shall paint the glyphs in... purple.

Bow down before me - cause I am silly and I do adore a challenge.

You are fucking genius! *bows down*

[morganafq]

*looks around at all the red and white in her closet*

*looks around at the almost total absence of black in her closet*

Yeah... don't think I'm going to be buying a whole new wardrobe in order to satisfy these inane color requirements. And it's not even just that. I literally *just* bought a shirt from the Mars store. It's greyish-white with the symbols all in black with red lettering. Therefore it breaks the rules (no red save for symbols). So now I can't wear an official piece of merch I bought from the band to one of their shows? How the hell does that makes sense? And bandannas around my face? Seriously? I live in gang territory. Do they want me to get arrested for dressing like a banger?

Honestly, I get what Jared and the boys are going for, I do. But it's just not feasible to actually accomplish. And now anyone who doesn't follow these dress codes at shows is going to be persecuted, hounded and made to feel unwelcome. And what about all the new fans who are going to just come to the show and won't know anything about these dress codes? You can bet your ass they'll be accosted as well. DO you think they'll want to go to more shows if they get shit simply for the colors they choose to wear? I think not.

I thought one of the primary principles 30STM was trying to promote was the pursuit of individuality within a family group. Finding your own identity whilst still connecting to a greater collective. Very Jungian, very true. But these codes and restrictions and rules go against every fiber of those principles, and I just don't even understand why the band is doing this. You core values should not be sacrificed for simple visual impact. Period.

This whole thing saddens me a great deal.

[JessL30]

sorry but i'll have to inform them that "I will wear whatever the fuck I want to wear."
And sorry I will not be wearing a bandana across my face..
sorry but I thought only people that did that wasnt from a free country and believed in a different religion.

I also agree with the poster above me.. I will wear my RED Official Mars shirt that i have purchased to one of their shows if I feel like it.

all this senseless bullshit is really pissing me off.. first the garbage with the hive and now this..
The only good stuff that is coming from all these mindfucks is that they will play both S/T and ABL during the new tour(if that will happen, no one really knows)


call me a bad echelon.. I dont care.

[Aderyn Dawn]

*looks around at all the red and white in her closet*

*looks around at the almost total absence of black in her closet*

This.

I thought one of the primary principles 30STM was trying to promote was the pursuit of individuality within a family group. Finding your own identity whilst still connecting to a greater collective. Very Jungian, very true. But these codes and restrictions and rules go against every fiber of those principles, and I just don't even understand why the band is doing this. You core values should not be sacrificed for simple visual impact. Period.

This whole thing saddens me a great deal.

And this.


I thought for a moment (stupid really) that I was the only one. I'd seen other people jump at this dress code with a loud YES OMG THIS IS AWESOME and I've just been cringing at the whole idea. Cute at first, then not so cute at all when enforced like it feels like it has been. Not very cute at all.

For me it has very personal reasons not to wear black. I know that might sound weird, but voila, it's out there. I don't want to HAVE TO just because it's the new ''dress code'' and I don't want to feel estranged at shows when I don't. When, not if.

I liked the colour code nights, but because there was always a choice between red, white, black and then even the neon coloured ones. I liked that. And then you didn't have to dress in that colour, or combine it with either of the two or even both, perhaps just letting the coded colour be the ''ruling'' colour.

The dress code feels wrong to me. Sorry to say.

I won't do it. It's a great project, a great idea, but no. I agree too much with the part that I quoted from Morganafq to abide by the new rule.

[morganafq]

I won't do it. It's a great project, a great idea, but no. I agree too much with the part that I quoted from Morganafq to abide by the new rule.

Thank you so much for your support on this. It means a lot to know that others are feeling the way that I am on this and similar matters.


--morganafq

[Elvira]

I thought one of the primary principles 30STM was trying to promote was the pursuit of individuality within a family group. Finding your own identity whilst still connecting to a greater collective. Very Jungian, very true. But these codes and restrictions and rules go against every fiber of those principles, and I just don't even understand why the band is doing this. You core values should not be sacrificed for simple visual impact. Period.

I love you. You should really post more.