[davida]

i love Barack Obama!


go, motherfucker, GO!


now if he just could slap some sense into Stephen Harper...

[find-ourselves-lost]

yes, Barack Obama does rock! he he he

[Reflecting]

Are we talking about this or that?

Or the fact that there is so much this and that in general?

Either way- stiff upper lip, soldier! Take this rough, recycled Kleenex and dry that day-glo tear.

We have work to do.

[TaintedFantasy]

now if he just could slap some sense into Stephen Harper...

He needs to slap some sense into the whole Canadian government...

[davida]

Are we talking about this or that?

Or the fact that there is so much this and that in general?

Either way- stiff upper lip, soldier! Take this rough, recycled Kleenex and dry that day-glo tear.

We have work to do.

mostly that, and the cute solar dude at the pre-signing press conference.

but i'm a big suck these days and almost anything makes me well up. i was clapping too. i might have lost my last marble.

anyhow, the fight goes on, and i'll be getting neck deep soon. they're trying to bring nuclear to my land of milk and honey. and in the sunniest province in the country. what a bunch of dicks.

[Reflecting]

mostly that, and the cute solar dude at the pre-signing press conference.

but i'm a big suck these days and almost anything makes me well up. i was clapping too. i might have lost my last marble.

anyhow, the fight goes on, and i'll be getting neck deep soon. they're trying to bring nuclear to my land of milk and honey. and in the sunniest province in the country. what a bunch of dicks.

I'm right with you.. marbles are over-rated.

Speaking of the bunch of dicks:

Here is a start.

House
Congress
Link to example of a letter

click this link

^ this website will figure out who your representatives are for your area, so that you contact that appropriate representative. then it will email your letter to them directly.

and here's a link to a website of advice on writing these letters

I'm always quoting these but it's a good time to bother your newly-elected officials.

[davida]

I'm right with you.. marbles are over-rated.

Speaking of the bunch of dicks:

I'm always quoting these but it's a good time to bother your newly-elected officials.

i'm a canuck, reflecting. and i live in hardcore conservative country. our conservative officials are notoriously arrogant and would use a letter from the hand of a green bitch like me to wipe their asses. so we will fight in the public domain, the best way i know how: verbal bitchslapping.

but you yanks have a fresh political start in many cases, so go hard.

[Reflecting]

i'm a canuck, reflecting. and i live in hardcore conservative country. our conservative officials are notoriously arrogant and would use a letter from the hand of a green bitch like me to wipe their asses. so we will fight in the public domain, the best way i know how: verbal bitchslapping.

but you yanks have a fresh political start in many cases, so go hard.

I didn't know you were from Canada.

I love, love, love that last sentence.

[davida]

I didn't know you were from Canada.

I love, love, love that last sentence.

i hope you won't hold it against me.

[Reflecting]

i hope you won't hold it against me.

Haha. I love Canada.

I am terminally cheesy.. I immediately thought of the line, "If I told you that you had a nice body, would you hold it against me?"

[GhettoKameleon]

Yeah, well done! Using government funds to create government jobs that will be paid for in taxpayer money!

*facepalm*

The private sector should be developing and selling the equipment for alternative energy, not the government. The money is there, but the government is trying to monopolize the market for wind and solar energy with this stimulus plan. You know what that means kiddos? Higher taxes on energy to pay for the jobs (wages paid by taxpayers), the creation of said jobs (paid for with tax money) and the creation of the equipment (also paid for by taxpayers). Ugh. Horrid.

[Reflecting]

Yeah, well done! Using government funds to create government jobs that will be paid for in taxpayer money!

*facepalm*

The private sector should be developing and selling the equipment for alternative energy, not the government. The money is there, but the government is trying to monopolize the market for wind and solar energy with this stimulus plan. You know what that means kiddos? Higher taxes on energy to pay for the jobs (wages paid by taxpayers), the creation of said jobs (paid for with tax money) and the creation of the equipment (also paid for by taxpayers). Ugh. Horrid.

Look at your own thread about the stimulus plan. Of course the numbers are ridiculous.

This is a great article about the private sector. I agree with you.. there are a lot of things that they should be doing. In this case, I'm happy that the government is getting involved.

I'm not necessarily against higher taxes if that tax money is going to something I actually support. My tax money already supports crack babies and people with no initiative. In my opinion, it might as well go to something positive.

Slightly off-topic.. would a facepalm be the modern day equivalent of flagellation?

[davida]

Yeah, well done! Using government funds to create government jobs that will be paid for in taxpayer money!

*facepalm*

The private sector should be developing and selling the equipment for alternative energy, not the government. The money is there, but the government is trying to monopolize the market for wind and solar energy with this stimulus plan. You know what that means kiddos? Higher taxes on energy to pay for the jobs (wages paid by taxpayers), the creation of said jobs (paid for with tax money) and the creation of the equipment (also paid for by taxpayers). Ugh. Horrid.

The private sector is developing and selling the equipment for alternate energies. They will be securing credit, provided by the government plan, to do this. Credit is credit, it will have to be paid back.

If you want to groan about taxpayer money, why don't you groan at the corporations and banks that are getting billions of bailout because of the avarice and immorality hidden in their capitalist agendas. Or groan because they are the straw that broke our collective economies backs.

So much for capitalism being "the best economic system, ever!". Pfft. You should be fucking thankful that you now have a government that understands that conservatism and capitalism are an evil mix.

Where's my little red book.....

[davida]

Haha. I love Canada.

I am terminally cheesy.. I immediately thought of the line, "If I told you that you had a nice body, would you hold it against me?"

i will pretty well hold my body against anybody with a pulse. that's how i roll.

[Reflecting]

i will pretty well hold my body against anybody with a pulse. that's how i roll.

SCORE.

[davida]

(obama is in canada today!)



He waved at us!!!!!


Yay!


damn i love him!

now kick some harper ass, mofo!

[Aries :)]

I'm right with you.. marbles are over-rated.

Speaking of the bunch of dicks:

I'm always quoting these but it's a good time to bother your newly-elected officials.

Thank You for sharing those links I will be passing them on to my friends.

And I do agree with you, we do have work to do.

So I saved the links House, congress, link to example of letter, & advice to writing to congress.

I want to start getting involved and help where I can.

I had posted a link in the thread "Ways To Help YOUR Enviroment". Its about a wind machine.

Edit: http://thirtysecondstomars.forumsunlimited...p;#entry1991921

[Reflecting]

Thank You for sharing those links I will be passing them on to my friends.

And I do agree with you, we do have work to do.

So I saved the links House, congress, link to example of letter, & advice to writing to congress.

I want to start getting involved and help where I can.

I had posted a link in the thread "Ways To Help YOUR Enviroment". Its about a wind machine.

Edit: http://thirtysecondstomars.forumsunlimited...p;#entry1991921

I'm glad the links are helpful.

I'll peek at your post about the wind machine.

I sent you a PM with more information.

[GhettoKameleon]

The private sector is developing and selling the equipment for alternate energies. They will be securing credit, provided by the government plan, to do this. Credit is credit, it will have to be paid back.

If you want to groan about taxpayer money, why don't you groan at the corporations and banks that are getting billions of bailout because of the avarice and immorality hidden in their capitalist agendas. Or groan because they are the straw that broke our collective economies backs.

So much for capitalism being "the best economic system, ever!". Pfft. You should be fucking thankful that you now have a government that understands that conservatism and capitalism are an evil mix.

Where's my little red book.....

I have groaned about those things, actually. And again, I cannot state this often enough, major corporations are not the "straw that broke our economies backs." That simply isn't true. I honestly do not feel like explaining that one in detail again. It is, in all reality, due to massive government over-spending putting us on a straight ahead course towards Socialism. Capitalism is what made this country the greatest superpower in history, in just over 200 years. Adam Smiths original model of capitalism is PERFECT, both on paper and in practice.

[davida]

I have groaned about those things, actually. And again, I cannot state this often enough, major corporations are not the "straw that broke our economies backs." That simply isn't true. I honestly do not feel like explaining that one in detail again. It is, in all reality, due to massive government over-spending putting us on a straight ahead course towards Socialism. Capitalism is what made this country the greatest superpower in history, in just over 200 years. Adam Smiths original model of capitalism is PERFECT, both on paper and in practice.

There are three factors that Smith, and the Marxist communists for that matter, didn't take into account when formulating their ideologies.

The first is the corruptibility of the individual, and the how the lure of power and money seems to have the ability to corrupt fully. For either ideologies to work, everyone on the playing field needs to follow a standard of ethics. It only takes a few unethical individuals to wreak havoc within the said system, and we have seen this havoc, and the eventual fall of systems, over and over.

This takes me to how "the corporation" in current practice IS part of the problem we are facing now. Because corporations are not beholden to consumers or the citizenry itself, but to shareholders, it causes a climate of "profits at all costs". This forces corporations to cut corners and make unethical decisions to create this profit. You can see examples of this all over the current downturn.

The next factor is the limits on growth. The success of both systems relies on constant growth. We are now seeing these limits, not only in the myriad of environmental issues caused by unchecked growth, but by the collapse of the global economic system itself. The earth is a closed system. There is only so much growth that can happen and it seems we might have reached the limit. Economies based on consumerism are then unsustainable. Economies based on single resources are doomed to boom and bust.

The third factor is the success of technology. Neither Smith or the Marxists could take into account how the exponential growth of technology has effected every aspect of human life and has amplified economic growth. These were ideologies conceived a century or more ago. 18th/19th/20th century economic / political thinking and technology doesn't apply anymore.

Therefore, the only system that CAN work in the long run IS socialism, a modern "green" version. A version that rewards free market players that abide by the triple bottom line and governments that regulate the market and cover the blanks (social programs, infrastructure, common properties, ensuring diversified economies etc) that the market misses. By rewarding companies and corporations that abide by the triple bottom line, you are creating the fix for ethics problem found in the purist ideologies. By creating diverse economies, not based on consumerism, but on provision of services, you can solve environmental, employment and "boom and bust issues."

ps. you can take off the adam smith necktie, ghetto.