[forever_you]

The ALF is a militant group dedicated to freeing animals from labs, destroying labs that do conduct research on animals, and harassing the Scientists but rarely harm them

Your thoughts on the group, and I do support, for animal liberation

[Jenni6277]

Where the animals go when they are free?

[forever_you]

They take care of them

[Sanna/Swe]

They take care of them

Sure
I mean are you sure?

Some just save them and think they will survive in their new naturial freedom, but there is rarly someone who does....
But if they take care of them...well thats good!

[forever_you]

Or a free roaming farm so to speak

[Jenni6277]

There are lots of fur farmers where I come from and many different "animal free groups" and what I read from ALF's site some groups act in their name. But usually the "liberators" don't take care of the animals afterwards. They leave the minks/foxes in the wild where they die because they have lived their whole life in captivity and can't hunt. And usually the animals are so damaged mentally and physically that they have to be put down. I don't know what methods the "liberators" use but I don't believe that it is done by a vet.

So, I am against these kinds of actions. There are more effective and legal ways too.

[forever_you]

I would take care of them

[forever_you]

They are also labeled as a terrorist organization by the US govt. but nowadays even the US govt. would label Washington or the American Militia as a terrorist group

[grrli]

I would take care of them

So you know how to properly care for a group of rats injected with formula XYZ?

Or are capable of caring for a creature that has survived vivisection?

And imagine that the creatures you freed, the formula being tested or disease being studies could cause health problems i YOU once you have them?

Or that in freeing/stealing them, you just condemn your friend's aunt to death because the study wasn't completed in time and she gets a disease they were testing treatments for.


It's never black and white. It's ugly shades of gray and NOT to be meddled with lightly or with the Idealist's rose colored glasses stuck in place.

[forever_you]

haha no, thats where you come in, and others

[grrli]

haha no, thats where you come in, and others

Ha ha, no. I have my own animals with issues. I can barely deal with the personal distress that gives me without handling the decisions of others made whimsically as well.

Regardless, it is up to ANYONE who takes up a banner to research not only the goals of their particular banner, but the 'enemy' as well. Put aside your prejudice and hatred in the scrutiny of your enemy, and you'll find that you'll loose a lot of enemies.
But possibly get really depressed. Black and whites are so much easier to deal with.

You stand with them if you want, but know, learn, understand from as many sources as possible (not just ALF friendly ones) what you're aligning yourself with or you will recognize your massive failure to educate yourself later on.

[forever_you]

Rather read something like their Manifesto, like the IRA Handbook

[Iota Carinae]

The ALF is a militant group dedicated to freeing animals from labs, destroying labs that do conduct research on animals, and harassing the Scientists but rarely harm them

Your thoughts on the group, and I do support, for animal liberation

Violence NEVER solves violence, even if said violence is done in the name of "liberation." The solution to the issue of animal exploitation is to raise our collective consciousness to include this new "other." To achieve this goal, compassion is our only tool. Harassment and property damage create alienation and fear - it will not change most people's outlooks.

For an very well written discourse on the terror tactics used by some animal rights groups, I suggest reading Capers In The Churchyard: Animal Rights Advocacy in the Age of Terror by Lee Hall.

For anyone who truly cares about the plight of our nonhuman family, one positive direct action that anyone can take it to look at their own life in order to make changes to reduce the amount of suffering we are personally contributing to this planet. Change yourself, and you change the world.

Make peace with yourself, and the world will find peace. So simple, yet so hard. Enjoy

Shannon

[forever_you]

I understand, but violence and direct action always has its purpose especially when it is just

[swedish/match]

If they expect "rescued" animals from labs and fur farms to readapt to the forest they are obviously poorly educated or otherwise uniformed. What one could argue is whether it is preferable to die of starvation/the cold/predators or to get your skin ripped off your body, alternatively to be subjected to tests too brutal (and/or unjustified) to perform on humans until you drop dead or are disposed of. Really?

There are other ways to experiment not involving animals and if animal testing was prohibited today, I'm sure these would be more or less perfected within a few years. I'm weary of the 'dying relative argument', as if that puts an end to all discussion. I refuse to believe there could be no other way, if there was a will to make these changes and the funds to back it up.

No, I don't think smashing labs is particularly productive or effective, my guess is this is desperate people wanting to make their message heard. It's headlines. The fact that people react more to the activist's nuttiness than their cause is unfortunate. Remember how people looked upon "tree-huggers" just a few years ago?

[forever_you]

You just cant make a once non-enemy to your cause a enemy to your cause, so you gotta make sure your actions do not affect the your non-enemies

[grrli]

Rather read something like their Manifesto, like the IRA Handbook

Good reading... but it's only a start. Only, barely, just a start.

I understand, but violence and direct action always has its purpose especially when it is just

Please give examples, or I just can not believe your claim. SO NOT convinced by one small statement that has a lot of words with too many connotations.

You just cant make a once non-enemy to your cause a enemy to your cause, so you gotta make sure your actions do not affect the your non-enemies

Clarify, please?
Is English your primary language, or is it a secondary?

[forever_you]

Afraid of Homeland Security