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A woman drowns her kids...not guilty? insanity? discussion

#1 User is offline   boovya 

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Posted 26 July 2006 - 12:07 PM

yates found not guilty...msn report

I never fuckin understood this bullshit!! who gives a fuck if someone is insane? their able body still did the crime! so they should do the time bitch!! or fuck be killed either one i'm fine with...so this means...if she "gets better" will she ever be released?


i say bullshit...i say burn her or better yet drown her.

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Posted 26 July 2006 - 12:08 PM

I was sane when I drowned my children.

(but seriously, burn the fucking bitch. She deserves it.)

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Posted 26 July 2006 - 12:11 PM

yeah that is fucking ridiculous she got off after doing that shit. It seems like every other criminal trial has a plead of insanity these days. These people are insane, yes, but they also knew what they were doing, her mind was completely capable of comprehending her actions -- this temporary insanity is BS....

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Posted 26 July 2006 - 12:20 PM

QUOTE(mnc1031 @ Jul 26 2006, 12:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
yeah that is fucking ridiculous she got off after doing that shit. It seems like every other criminal trial has a plead of insanity these days. These people are insane, yes, but they also knew what they were doing, her mind was completely capable of comprehending her actions -- this temporary insanity is BS....



actually you are wrong...being insane you have no sense of reality...

BUT! that doesnt excuse this type of behaviour in our society today...society today can be way too liberal at times...sure I'm a lil bit liberal and democratic by nature...

but...i still know what's best for society...and leaving people get off easy for sick crimes against humanity isnt progress.

i always say rid society of these people...if you cant act as a human being then you shouldnt be able to live among humans.


but then again what makes a human?

but in all seriousness...this happens ALOT!! people trying to get off with insanity pleas --tis bullshit

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Posted 26 July 2006 - 12:21 PM

American laws for the win.

(Though its pretty normal to just stick them into a insane asylum here also)

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Posted 26 July 2006 - 12:23 PM

QUOTE(Quila @ Jul 26 2006, 02:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
(but seriously, burn the fucking bitch. She deserves it.)


Truth? I think so.

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Posted 26 July 2006 - 12:25 PM

but in our society it seems as if people are ok with this? I'm not...i dont really accept this feature of our laws. i think its faulty at most. how does that rehabilitate the person?

i mean...i think the law system looks for ways of rehabilitating people more so then finding justice in cases. sad

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Posted 26 July 2006 - 12:28 PM

QUOTE(boovya @ Jul 26 2006, 09:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
but in our society it seems as if people are ok with this? I'm not...i dont really accept this feature of our laws. i think its faulty at most. how does that rehabilitate the person?

i mean...i think the law system looks for ways of rehabilitating people more so then finding justice in cases. sad

But if you kill that person because of the mental illness,your killing them for something thats not their fault.

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Posted 26 July 2006 - 12:30 PM

HUH?
who cares why you killed a person for...I honestly don't think you deserve to be in society if you do such an act as murder. regardless of your state of mind and sense of reality.

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Posted 26 July 2006 - 12:31 PM

WTF. I say she should be burned(but not nearly enough to kill her), thrown in a bath of ice, burned again, and then drowned.

Can you even imagine what those poor children were going through during this,seeing all of this? she takes the time to drown 5 kids and they rule out murder saying not guilty by reason of insanity? yeah, OK!
If she is THAT crazy, she should be shot... her existence is pointless.

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Posted 26 July 2006 - 12:33 PM

She was found innocent by reason of insanity maybe because she was indeed batshit crazy?

I mean this verdict didn't happen in super liberal states, but in freaking Texas...apparantly the jury, even in Texas, found her to be nuts. The prosecution fucked up in the first trial by having an "expert" witness make shit up. This time they had to go with the facts of the case.

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Posted 26 July 2006 - 12:36 PM

yeah thats my point...whats the point of her living in society? she does nothing be put a damper on our government and the rest of our lives...

her life is all relative...in the sense that this keeps occuring and our taxes will most likely go up...longer trials....more appeals...etc...that means more tax money...mental hospital--etc...more tax money...

and FOR WHAT? in the HOPES that she might get better? who cares if she does? its not like shes that important to save her life. yeah i know what if it was your sister? or mother? or father...i dont know. still fucked up.

QUOTE(dewey fidalgo @ Jul 26 2006, 12:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
She was found innocent by reason of insanity maybe because she was indeed batshit crazy?

I mean this verdict didn't happen in super liberal states, but in freaking Texas...apparantly the jury, even in Texas, found her to be nuts. The prosecution fucked up in the first trial by having an "expert" witness make shit up. This time they had to go with the facts of the case.



you totally missed the point of this discussion.

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Posted 26 July 2006 - 12:38 PM

Seriously, what could somebody that crazy offer to this world? NOTHING, she should be shot. no, she should be tortured...like her kids were. To be that crazy and then finally kill even one of your children,i think would be a momentary laspe of reality(even if her reality was allready fucked), or w/e, and...one kid, maybe even 2 kids...I'd say(ok this bitch went even more crazycrazy)...5 kids? she killed 5 kids, took the time to do this.

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Posted 26 July 2006 - 12:39 PM

she prolly just wanted to travel to see 30STM and couldn't find a sitter

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Posted 26 July 2006 - 12:41 PM

lol..shup!


I think this bitch should be sentenced to death. Her existence really is pointless. She should NEVEr have anymore kids, she's obviously way beyond broken. wtf can she contribute...nothing.

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Posted 26 July 2006 - 12:43 PM

QUOTE(pale_existence @ Jul 26 2006, 12:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Seriously, what could somebody that crazy offer to this world? NOTHING, she should be shot. no, she should be tortured...like her kids were. To be that crazy and then finally kill even one of your children,i think would be a momentary laspe of reality(even if her reality was allready fucked), or w/e, and...one kid, maybe even 2 kids...I'd say(ok this bitch went even more crazycrazy)...5 kids? she killed 5 kids, took the time to do this.


I'll put it to you this way...
I am a very proud father...and God forbid if something to that extent happened from my hands...I would take the liberty of killing myself frankly because I would have no reason to live. I live now to provide for my child. simple as that. or If I was unable to do the deed myself then I would ask to be killed.

QUOTE(mikebrooke @ Jul 26 2006, 12:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
she prolly just wanted to travel to see 30STM and couldn't find a sitter


seems logical enough...and if were the case..it would definitely merit a dismissed trial in favor of the woman.

QUOTE(pale_existence @ Jul 26 2006, 12:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
lol..shup!
I think this bitch should be sentenced to death. Her existence really is pointless. She should NEVEr have anymore kids, she's obviously way beyond broken. wtf can she contribute...nothing.



they should torture her by ripping her fallopian tubes and ovaries out of her...

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Posted 26 July 2006 - 12:43 PM

QUOTE(boovya @ Jul 26 2006, 12:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
yeah thats my point...whats the point of her living in society? she does nothing be put a damper on our government and the rest of our lives...

her life is all relative...in the sense that this keeps occuring and our taxes will most likely go up...longer trials....more appeals...etc...that means more tax money...mental hospital--etc...more tax money...

and FOR WHAT? in the HOPES that she might get better? who cares if she does? its not like shes that important to save her life. yeah i know what if it was your sister? or mother? or father...i dont know. still fucked up.
you totally missed the point of this discussion.


Actually, from what I understand, she IS much better under medication. That was the problem, she had this for years, and her husband and family knew it. I still can't believe that her husband, knowing she wasn't doing well left her alone with 5 little kids.

Think about this way. She is clearer, the illness (and post partum depression, et al, ARE illnesses) is under control. Now that she is thinking clearer, she has COMPLETE knowledge of what she did and has to face that for the rest of her life.

And to take your question about someone "being important enough to save [their} life"....who is important enough? This is America, no one is more important than anyone else...nobody is more expendable than anyone else. Do we throw away people who aren't important enough? And who exactly gets to decide who is important?

I didn't miss the point of the discussion either...I don't agree with it is all.

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Posted 26 July 2006 - 12:50 PM

QUOTE(dewey fidalgo @ Jul 26 2006, 12:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
She was found innocent by reason of insanity maybe because she was indeed batshit crazy?

I mean this verdict didn't happen in super liberal states, but in freaking Texas...apparantly the jury, even in Texas, found her to be nuts. The prosecution fucked up in the first trial by having an "expert" witness make shit up. This time they had to go with the facts of the case.



yeah, that's true...if you're found not guilty in texas, then you either had the best fucking liar/lawyer out there or you really are innocent...which in this case, that FUCKING BITCH should have a fate fucking worse than death. those poor children. i just can't even type this without shaking...i mean holy fucking shit. jesus christ, i dont care if she was crazy...she did something absoultely and utterly unforgivable. ugh.

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Posted 26 July 2006 - 12:50 PM

QUOTE(dewey fidalgo @ Jul 26 2006, 12:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
And to take your question about someone "being important enough to save [their} life"....who is important enough? This is America, no one is more important than anyone else...nobody is more expendable than anyone else. Do we throw away people who aren't important enough? And who exactly gets to decide who is important?

I didn't miss the point of the discussion either...I don't agree with it is all.


actually i highly disagree...obviously our president and the heads of our government are more important than you or I. thats just an obvious fact....the world can go on without me....the government would take a few steps back if it lost its president...or someone that had huge stature to the future of our state.

with that being said...some people ARE more important then others...take for instance...whats more important to have living:
1. a bum who lives off of our waste and doesnt have a job
or
2. say a fireman...police officer...a CEO of an important company that supplies a highly demanded good to the world?

wether you like it or not...society DOES have a hierarchial system instilled...its there...you can not think so but it is.

and if this person lives off of our tax money...getting pills fed to her for the next 10 years...then what good is she doing in there? she doesnt create any revenue or any good service that aids in wealth and growth of our society. if anything she makes for negative money.

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Posted 26 July 2006 - 12:50 PM

QUOTE(boovya @ Jul 26 2006, 03:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
HUH?
who cares why you killed a person for...I honestly don't think you deserve to be in society if you do such an act as murder. regardless of your state of mind and sense of reality.

But then you are murdering that person, so you are commiting murder too, should you not deserve to be in society as well? Eliminating people based on their crazyness? Where do you draw a line then on what is crazy enough to be killed for and what is acceptable enough?

What she did is wrong, regardless of her mental state. She should have gotten a life sentence, though she probably will remain in mental hospital for rest of her life. What is truly depressing about this case is though that there were people around her who knew of her condition and that she was not mentally stable and they still allowed her to be alone with the children and to take care of them.

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